Stunning Biblical Evidence:
America is End-Time "BABYLON THE GREAT"!
[Messianic Notsrim Rabbi Simon Altaf] Oh Really let's see
Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Understanding who THE PLAYERS ARE is essential if you are to come to any understanding of THE TRUTH OF BIBLE PROPHECY, and why world events are happening as they are. Remember that Jesus warned us that DECEPTION was the KEY TO THE RISE OF ANTICHRIST. That means HE COMES TO POWER IN A PLACE NOT RECOGNIZED, AT A TIME NOT RECOGNIZED, and IN A MANNER NOT RECOGNIZED even by the vast majority of God's people, let alone the world at large. The prophetic world today is in a DEEP DELUSION, and they are looking in the WRONG AREA for the rise of the antichrist forces and LUCIFER.
Simon:
Yes I would agree to this statement in general but as I will show the author himself makes the mistake he is asking other people to avoid.
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We begin with an understanding of THE ACTUAL PARAMETERS that God laid down to IDENTIFY THE CHIEF PLAYER OF THE END TIMES - BABYLON THE GREAT, THAT MIGHTY END TIME NATION THAT THINKS ITS LIFE IS ETERNAL, AND WILL NEVER SEE SORROW.
Simon:
Let’s see what
we find here;
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WHAT THE PROPHETS SAID ABOUT BABYLON
1. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:19).
Simon:
The author’s premise is that these scriptures are related to the USA as being Babylon, let me show you the error in the very first opening scripture with the flawed hermeneutics and haphazard predictions trying to apply this to the USA:
The first scripture mentioned is Revelation 17 but one should ask the million dollar question. In Revelation 17:6 this harlot of Babylon actually murders believers so does the US today murder Christians and Jews who believe in the Jewish Messiah?
The answer is clearly NO, the US is the only nation today with a very large I guess near 89 million born again believers yet the Author still wants to prove that this is Babylon the great who kills and beheads Christians and Jews. My suggestion is the Author take a look at Islam, only Islamic militants do so thus we see this use of Babylon to the US is just erroneous theology.
My second question is in Revelation 18:2 Babylon is fallen and become the habitation of devils and unclean spirits. Where do the eighty-nine million Christians go and let’s not worry about the Jews for now? Are the Christians raptured as wrongly taught by many or are they all killed?
Isaiah 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
Context context context. When will these people learn not to miss the context?
The context of Isaiah 13 is Babylon i.e. Iraq, it even mentioned Chaldees Excellency in Isaiah 13:19 yet the brother wishes to somehow prove this is America. Let’s ask a pertinent question. Was Abraham our father from the US or Middle-East? Obviously scripture says Ur of the Chaldees (Genesis 11:31), there you have it on a plate. However if Abraham was born in New York then I guess I accept I am wrong!!!
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2. Babylon would have a huge seaport city within its borders (Rev 18:17).
Simon:
It
does not mention the word “huge” but the author likes to read this into
the text.
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3. The Great City Babylon is the home of a world government attempt (Rev.17:18, Jer.51:44, Gen. 11:1-6, compare Matthew 24:27, implied throughout)
Simon:
No mention of a one world government in the text but again the author stretches the text to fit his theory, the text mentions the “great city”. By the way “Bel” was in Babylon (Iraq) not the US so why the wrong implication. Do the eighty nine million Christians in the US worship Bel? (Jeremiah 51:44) I leave that to the author to answer this one.
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4. The Great City Babylon would be the economic nerve center of the world (Rev 18:3).
Simon:
I
don’t see any such nerve center in scriptures but I see nations becoming
rich through Saudi Arabia buying her oil. What did the kings of the
earth get rich with from the USA since majority of the world nations are
debtors to the US? Go figure IMF and World bank figures…
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5. Babylon would be the center of a one world Luciferian religious movement (Jer 51:44).
Simon:
The author loves to use such terms as “one world government” yet the text makes no such implications.
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6. Babylon would be the center for the move to a global economic order (Rev 13:16).
Simon:
Again failing to understand the implication of the world “ALL” the author implies but fails to prove otherwise his one world order. See my full article “ALL” does not mean ALL on Ask the Rabbi Page on the AF site.
http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/Simon/pdfs/ALL%20does%20not%20mean%20ALL.pdf
In Daniel 8:5a we see a reading that says: “And as I was considering, suddenly a male goat came from the West, across the surface of the whole earth”.
Now on casual reading it might appear that this goat who we know was Alexander the Great came upon the face of the “whole earth” but historically we know that he never conquered the whole earth, e.g. he never touched Western Europe, and he never conquered China, Africa or even Australia.
Mark 1:5 And there went out unto him ALL the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were ALL baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
Now looking at the text of Mark, could we say that every man was baptized in ALL of Judea and Jerusalem? Clearly not, this simply refers to the men that came repenting to be baptized, a large number of people perhaps but not ALL. The ALL here is used for emphasis. The same way we must be very careful how we interpret scripture whether it is talking about a whole region or part of a region, this is the Hebrew view.
BABYLON THE NATION
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1. Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations (Jer 50:12).
Simon:
Fits more with Saudi Arabia than America. It talks about this nation being a Desert and a wilderness. Sorry the US with its tall structures does not fit, Saudi Arabia fits much more, a younger nation only conceived in the 20th century.
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2. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7; Rev 18:7).
Simon:
This nation lives in luxury. What luxury does the US afford? In Saudi they have golden taps, golden spoons, the best of cars and the best of houses. The US does not match. This city sins in secret (Isaiah 47:10) yet the US sins in open. The US was never called “O daughter of the Chaldeans”. Unless you believe that the ancient Indians in America are from Turkey.
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3. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47, Jer 50, 51, Rev 1 .
Simon:
Surely any child with a dictionary will tell you that the daughter of
Babylon and daughter of the Chaldeans is not going to fit with US but
more with Saudi since it was conceived in the Middle-East and share the
same religion as Babylon including the same god.
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4. Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; Rev 18:23).
Simon:
The hammer of the whole earth is talking about terrorism around the world so how many US terrorist do you know that are blowing up embassies, trains and planes today? I know many who have blown up these and more are radical Muslims. Muslims fit much more than the US, the context is Chaldea not the US yet the context is completely ignored.
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5. Babylon is called a lady, and has the symbol of the Lady (Isa 47:7-9).
Simon:
Once again the author does not care about the context which is “virgin daughter of Babylon” and “daughter of Chaldea”, the whole scenario is in the Middle-East and not the West.
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6. Babylon would be the praise of the WHOLE EARTH (Jer 51:41).
Simon:
Fits much more with Muslims praising Islam than with other countries praising America because most countries hate the US very few love it. Care to explain why the author contradicts himself, why would the hammer of the whole earth that is giving trouble to the people love the US?
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7. Babylon is center of world trade (Jer 51:44; Rev 17:18; 18:19).
Simon:
More likely center of attention not world trade. The nations flow to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, Muslims to perform hajj, no one goes to the US to make a pilgrimage. The merchants were made rich with the oil that Saudi sells inclusive of Iraq they control 52% of world oil supply so who is making who rich?
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8. Babylon would grow to be the richest nation in the world (Rev 18:3, 7, 19, 23).
Simon:
Revelation 18:3 …And the merchants of the earth are waxed rich
Who is getting rich? Merchants of the earth. She glorifies herself with her riches i.e. lives luxuriously with gold, fast cars, planes and plenty of oil.
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9. All nations that traded with Babylon would grow rich (Rev 18:3).
Simon:
Fits perfectly with Saudi Arabia would you not say but not with the US. Has China grown rich trading with the US yet it is the sweatshop of the world? What about Latin American nations? Still reeling in poverty who also trade with the US.
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10. The merchants of Babylon were the GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH (Rev 18:23).
Simon:
Of course, fits much more with the US and Europe counted as the great men of the earth visiting to do business with the Middle-East trying to sell their fast cars and specially designed planes to the arabs. Who is fighting the war in Iraq by the way? Stop kidding yourself.
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11. Babylon is a huge nation, with lands, cities, and great wealth (implied throughout).
Simon:
Iraq combined with Saudi does have plenty of wealth 52% of world oil wealth and land mass but we don’t look at the implied we look at the explicit statements instead.
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12. Babylon is nation "peeled", or timbered, a land of open fields (Isa 18:2).
Simon:
Out of context as usual, nothing to do with Babylon the great.
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13. Babylon is land quartered by mighty rivers (Isa 18:2).
Simon:
This is not talking about Babylon.
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14. Babylon is a land that is measured out, and populated throughout (Isa 18:2).
Simon:
This is not talking about Babylon.
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15. Babylon destroys her own land, with pollution and waste (Isa 14:20, 18:2, 7).
Simon:
The Muslims have been destroying their land by suicide bombings and terrorism killing their own, the verse is not talking about pollution but warfare. The play on words in only apparent in the Hebrew tongue where the same word used for slaughtering an animal is used in similar way the difference is one character at the end, a Tet opposed to a Khet. The Muslims have been slaughtering their own by beheadings and others with a knife as a butcher would.
שׁחת Instead of שׁחט. Only a Hebrew wisdom will reveal this.
Isaiah 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed [shawkat] thy land, and slain thy people:
How many people has America killed with pollution while the verse clearly talks about terrorism?
Thus the Antichrist’s people will cut with a knife, cut what? The jugulars of people just like the animal i.e. beheading (Revelation 20:4).
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16. Babylon is a land rich in mineral wealth (Jer 51:13).
Simon:
Fits perfectly with Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
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17. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world (Jer 50, 51; Rev 1 .
Simon:
No such mention but again the author reading into the text isogesis. The whole saga is Babylon’s judgment and the land even mentioned is Chaldea yet the author has completely ignored the context once again.
Jeremiah 50:46 At the noise of the taking of Babylon the earth is moved, and the cry is heard among the nations.
Clearly the above text shows that Babylon’s destruction causes world jitters and that is because of the world thinking about its oil needs yet why would the world care if the US collapsed tomorrow no one would care except the Western nations since all the Muslim world will rejoice but such is not the case according to Bible prophecy.
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18. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 1)
Simon:
Fits perfectly with Iraq and Saudi, major exports oil and gas.
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19. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world.(Jer 50, 51; Rev 1)
Simon:
No clear text says they are the leading importer however Babylon is importing things it needs to survive, commerce is one of its signs but just because a nation does commerce it does not make it Babylon.
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20. Babylon is a nation filled with warehouses and granaries (Jer 50:26).
Simon:
The author again reading into the text, yes it has “storehouses” unlike any other nation.
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21. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 1 .
Simon:
Looks like the author completely ignores the context of Middle-East and loves to use words like “leading” when they simply don’t exist. The problem is gullible Christians would believe this.
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22. Babylon is noted for her horses (Jer 50:37).
Simon:
The author misses the point that all her treasures are taken, Babylon actually purchases horses from her merchants mentioned in Revelation 18:11 and the whole action is taking place in Chaldea (Turkey and Iraq) and then daughter of Babylon (Saudi Arabia).
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23. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock (Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18:13).
Simon:
My comments in answer to question 22 apply.
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24. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations (Rev 18:13).
Simon:
This shows the author is not reading correctly because the context of the passage is in Revelation 18:12 where the merchants of the world are crying because their merchandise is not being bought by Babylon anymore yet the author makes that a fine flour operation. I find this both funny and amusing. Look here for the beef.
Revelation 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; FOR NO MAN BUYETH THEIR MERCHANDISE ANY MORE:
The merchandise listed includes wheat by the way amongst other things such as cars, cattle, ivory etc. Saudi Arabia actually had a monopoly on ivory.
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25. Babylon is a nation of farmers and harvests huge crops (Jer 50:16, 26, 27).
Simon:
If they have huge crops then why are they buying wheat from foreigners? See Revelation 18:11. The author reads into scripture what is not there.
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26. Babylon is a huge exporter of MUSIC (Rev 18:22).
Simon:
There is no mention of her being an “exporter” of Music, the author loves to read into what is simply not there. The author completely ignores the fact that Babylon actually imports so much stuff such as cars, cattle and sheep. One thing that completely and utterly defeats his notion is that it imports “WHEAT” well the US does not have a need to import wheat since it gives it away freely maybe the author should care to see the USAID statistics for its donation program but certainly both Iraq and Saudi Arabia do have that need, especially Saudi Arabia since she is a Desert and these things are very hard to grow and are practically non-existent.
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27. Babylon's musicians are known around the world (Rev 18:22)
Simon:
See comments in 26.
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28. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10).
Simon:
The scripture in Isaiah 14:13 is talking about Satan and not aviation, next the author will be telling us that Satan flies a jumbo jet.
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29. Babylon's skies are filled with the whisper of aircraft wings (Isa 18:1; Jer 51:53).
Simon:
Isaiah 18 is not about Babylon at all, the author misses the mark.
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30. Babylon has a huge space industry, has "mounted up to the heavens" (Jer 51:53).
Simon:
The author is desperate to find something to make it appear this is the USA but fails to see the context is judgment on the people in Iraq.
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31. Babylon fortifies her skies with a huge military aviation program (Jer 51:53).
Simon:
See comments in 30.
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32. Babylon is portrayed as a leading in high tech weapons and abilities (Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10; implied throughout).
Simon:
Implied where? The whole context is Iraq so how do we tight squeeze such a big nation like the US in it?
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33. Babylon is a nation filled with warm water seaports (Rev 18:17-19).
Simon:
Saudi Arabia fits much better.
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34. Babylon is a coastal nation and sits upon MANY WATERS (Jer 51:13).
Simon:
The US only has one sea around it while Saudi has five seas so again Saudi fits much better.
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35. Babylon trades with all who have ships in the sea year round (Rev 18:17-1 .
Simon:
Sure but no one said this has to be the US.
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36. Babylon is nation filled with a "mingled" people (Jer 50:37).
Simon:
There are approximately three million foreigners in Saudi Arabia’s total population of 16.7 million. About 60% of the Saudi workforce is foreign nationals, and over 90% of workers in the private sector are non-Saudis this is why it explains why all the workers want to leave when the trouble comes.
Jeremiah 50:16…for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land.
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37. Babylon is a SINGULAR NATION founded upon OUT OF MANY, ONE (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51, Hab 1).
Simon:
It still does not make it the US.
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38. Babylon is a REPUBLIC or a DEMOCRACY, it is ruled by many counsels (Isa 47:13).
Simon:
Isaiah’s context in verse 47 is all about Iraq and Saudi Arabia and not some far away land yet the author completely ignores the context and tries to fit the US.
Isaiah 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
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39. Babylon's governmental system breaks down (Isa 47:13).
Simon:
Yes but who said this is the US system.
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40. Babylon is bogged down with deliberations and cannot govern properly (Isa 47:13).
Simon:
Bogged down but not the USA here see my comments 38.
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41. Babylon's leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2).
Simon:
This is common in Islamic lands but obviously the author is not aware of such things.
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42. Babylon labored in the occult from her very inception (Isa 47:12).
Simon:
Islam is all about occultism.
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43. Babylon falls to the occult just before her end by nuclear fire (Rev 18:2)
Simon:
Not true this is not what the text is saying, once again the author implies things not there.
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44. Babylon was born as a CHRISTIAN NATION (Jer 50:11).
Simon:
This is the most amazing comment given that the verse is not saying any of this.
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45. Babylon turns upon its heritage and destroys it all in the end (Jer 50:11).
Simon:
Yes so this is in the Middle-East.
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46. Babylon's Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; implied Rev 18:2).
Simon:
Is this not what the author and many churches are doing? The context of both verses is the total 12 tribes of Israel, the house of Israel that is Ephraim and from whom many have come to faith in Messiah but the Pastors holding to many pagan practices. They have forgotten their resting place is an idiom to Torah obedience but churches teach disobedience.
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47. Babylon's Christian leaders are "strangers" in the Lord Houses of Worship (Jer 51:51).
Simon:
Of course after 2700 years of dispersal the House of Israel is a stranger.
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48. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism (Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2).
Simon:
Fits perfectly with the mystics and Sufis of Islam.
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49. Babylon becomes the home of all antichrist religions in the world (Rev 18:2).
Simon:
Its not religion(s) but religion without an S.
Author:
50. Babylon is a nation of religious confusion (Isa 47:12-13).
Simon:
Context see comments 38.
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51. Babylon turns upon its own people and imprisons and slays them by millions (Jer 50:7,33; 51:35; 39; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7; 17:6; 18:24).
Simon:
Once again misappropriate text, e.g. Jeremiah 50:7’s context is Israel and its children not AntiChrist or Babylon, the same is true of Jeremiah 50:33 but the author once again disregards and applies his own faulty logic to the text. Daniel 7:25 speaks about the beast system wearing out believers, one can see this brother needs to go back to the text and re-examine it.
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52. Babylon sets of detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24).
Simon:
This is most true in all of the Islamic lands and not at all in the US. How many Christians and Jews do you know who have been imprisoned in the US for running a Church or synagogue? I can show you dozens of cases of normal Christians who were killed e.g. in Pakistan alone, I can show you Saudi Arabia that does not allow a church or synagogue, it allows no Jews in its land.
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53. Babylon has a mother nation that remains in existence from her birth to death (Jer 50:12).
Simon:
Yes the host is Iraq the cradle of ALL false religions, remember the tower of Babel.
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54. The mother of Babylon has the symbol of the LION (Dan7:4; Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38; Psalms 17:12).
Simon:
Yes but the US has the sign of the Eagle so what is the connection? None.
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55. The mother of Babylon will rule over her daughter her entire life (Dan 7:4; Jer 50:12).
Simon:
The author is confused yet the verse say nothing about ruling.
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56. The mother of Babylon will be a state of major decline as the end nears (Jer 50:12).
Simon:
No this happens after the Judgment after Yahshua raises nations against her from the North (Jeremiah 50:3), care to guess who they are?
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57. Babylon is considered to be a lion's whelp (Eze 38:13; Jer 51:3 .
Simon:
Simply aligns with Iraq not the USA.
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58. Babylon will have the symbol of the EAGLE and builds her nest in the stars (Dan 7:4 EAGLE WINGS; Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53).
Simon:
The eagle’s wings are nothing to do with a symbol but simple the power the beast exercises. Would the author care to prove why the third beast (Grecia) also has “WINGS” but why he did not fit that to be the US?
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59. Babylon turns totally antichrist and is the leading antichrist power at the end (Rev 18:2; Isa 14:4-6).
Simon:
Babylon was always anti-Christ nothing in the text says it turns particularly at the end.
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60. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST (Isa 14:4-6).
Simon:
Yes since by definition it is Satan behind all false religions of the world.
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61. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17:1 .
Simon:
Out of context as usual. Care to explain which city in the US fits the seven MOUNTAINS (Revelation 17:9)? Mecca qualifies perfectly but not New York or any other city in the USA.
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62. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY (Isa 14; Hab 2, Rev 13, 17, 1 .
Simon:
This claim is not justifiable in scripture. No where is world dominance or world government mentioned even once. Seven heads and 10 horns (Revelation 13, (leaders/kings) is not called a world government. Last time I checked the world was over 120 countries and increasing so we would need 120 plus the number of new nations formed. This is an erroneous claim just not scriptural.
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63. This world entity will be a diverse entity, different than all other ruling bodies of the world (Dan 7:7, 23).
Simon:
Not world entity but geocentric e.g. Middle-East plus other Islamic nations, yes it is diverse from all the previous beasts which Islam is but at the same time it incorporates their ruled areas in the Middle-East (Daniel 2:45).
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64. This entity will be a TREATY POWER ENTITY (Dan 7:7, 23 DIVERSE).
Simon:
Diverse yes, treaty power entity, the author needs to clarify his words, why throw around words he cannot justify. Daniel 7:7 simply talks about the way the beast goes about terrorizing and destroying.
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65. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13, 17).
Simon:
No such thing is implied explicitly or implicitly in the text.
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66. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles (Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13).
Simon:
Not exporter but Importer. Read the words again Revelation 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more.
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67. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, experts in their trade (Jer 50, 51, Rev 18:22).
Simon:
The Middle-East has plenty of people of skilled genre, maybe the author should care to look at the Persian culture alone to know how much art/craft/music they had.
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68. Babylon is noted for her jewelry of gold and silver (Rev 18:22).
Simon:
This is a Middle-Eastern trait, people in that culture love Jewelerry especially gold and often give it for dowry in weddings as a de-facto standard.
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69. Babylon is a huge importer and exporter of spices (Rev 18:13).
Simon:
Only Importer, read my comments in 66.
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70. Babylon is a huge exporter of fine marble products (Rev 18:22).
Simon:
Read comment in 66.
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71. Babylon is noted for her iron and steel production (Rev 18:12).
Simon:
The word “production” does not occur in the text.
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72. Babylon has huge corporations that have bases around the world (Rev 18:23, implied throughout)
Simon:
It imports Revelation 18:11. There is no implication explicitly in the text what so ever. Notice in verse 18:23 it was deceiving nations with its sorceries, the one selling the false religion of Islam was/is Saudi Arabia and coupled with it all the other Islamic nations. Remember the capital of Islam is Mecca where millions of Muslims go yearly for the pilgrimage.
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73. Babylon is a nation of higher education and learning (Isa 47:10, implied throughout).
Simon:
No Explicit statement anywhere. The statement is about wisdom and knowledge not about how many universities it has.
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74. Babylon is a nation with a GREAT VOICE in world affairs (Jer 51:55)
Simon:
Yes the Muslims cry foul and the world hears since they have oil that the West needs. Israel cries foul and no one cares, these are what I call direct opposites.
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75. Babylon is a VIRGIN NATION, untouched by major war (Isa 47:1).
Simon:
This is not implied implicitly or explicitly, I don’t know where the author draws that conclusion from since Babylon has been at war many time, one only needs to read Isaiah 13, Dan 7 to know the author’s statement is not true.
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76. Babylon has a vast military machine (Jer 50:36; 51:30; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13:4).
Simon:
I am not sure where the author draws that conclusion from, her men are mighty we can ascertain that Ancient Babylon was a might Empire, everyone knows about Nebuchadnezzar but however to make the statement that Babylon has a mighty military is a bit outlandish. What is there is that it has nations aligned with it and combined together it has certain strength but even Daniel the prophet tells us very clearly in Chapter 2:42 that it has the strength of metal but yet has division talking about the clay denoting it has strength yet weakness or divisions within itself.
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77. Babylon will be instrumental in the setting up of Israel in the Middle East, and is the home of God's people (Jer 50:47; 51:45).
Simon:
This is simply not true considering Israel was setup long before Ancient Babylon and in fact was it not King Nebuchadnezzar who took Israel captive 586bc. How one can arrive at such conclusion is questionable considering Jeremiah 50:47 does not exist as the last verse of Jeremiah 50 is 46 and Jeremiah 51:45 talks about Yahweh’s people to leave Babylon, how one can construe that to mean Babylon will help setup Israel laughable.
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78. Babylon will have a major enemy to her north (Jer 50:3, 9, 41).
Simon:
So it does but again nothing to do with the US.
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79. Babylon's enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world, over the poles (Isa 13:5)
Simon:
Yes and these are the nations Yahweh will gather at the end of days, the foreshadowing of that is fulfilled in the 1st Gulf war and guess which nations turned up? The US and UK with some other key players and the same will happen again.
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80. The enemy of Babylon will be a FEDERAL OF NATIONS (Jer 50:9).
Simon:
Yes the same nations as in 79.
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81. The enemy of Babylon will be largely Moslem in make-up (Jer 50:17; Rev 17:16; Psalms 83:5-12).
Simon:
No, they are Muslims themselves fighting the Christians and Jews what they term as the crusaders and the Zionist entity.
Author:
82. The enemy of Babylon will have nuclear missiles capable of reaching Babylon (Jer 50:9, 14,; Rev 18:8, 1 .
Simon:
Yes the enemy is the US with UK who have this capability to attack end time Babylon.
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83. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty (Isa 13, 14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 1 .
Simon:
Yes the British and the US have shown fierceness in their wars cruel here can denote both fierceness in fighting and slaughtering the enemies in warfare without care even sometimes civilians are killed and we saw that in the war that the US fought with Japan also when the UK fought with India and Germany many civilians were killed.
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84. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50:9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout).
Simon:
Yes and this aviation machinery fits with the US and UK two sister nations perfectly, the only trouble is the author is misapplying this to the wrong side.
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85. The enemy of Babylon will come into Babylon unnoticed (Isa 47:11, Jer 50:24; 51:2, 14).
Simon:
The context is in the Middle-East, yes Babylon’s days are numbered.
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86. Babylon will be filled with her enemies brought in under the guise of peace (Dan 11:21).
Simon:
The one who comes in peace is the Antichrist and takes the kingdom.
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87. Babylon will have all of her borders cut off, and there will be no way of escape (Jer 50:28; 51:32).
Simon:
So shall it be all completed in the Middle-East not America.
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88. Babylon will be destroyed by nuclear fire (Implied throughout)
Simon:
Sure nuclear arsenal is involved.
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89. Babylon is land vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout).
Simon:
Allegorically Babylon is applied to all the Islamic nations not the USA.
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90. Babylon will have been a huge missionary nation for Jesus Christ (Jer 50:11; 51:7).
Simon:
Not what the text says, it says Babylon made the nations mad so how can we say this is missionary work?
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91. Babylon would be a home to multitudes of Jews who leave (Jer 50:4-6, 8; 51:6, 45)
Simon:
Yes and most have left already again in the Middle-East, the children of Israel are the 10 tribes (Ephraim) who will come back to their land this is not just the Jews.
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92. The people of Babylon would not know their true identity (Jer 50:6, implied throughout).
Simon:
The implication here applies to all Christians who have been taught false doctrines of anti-Semitism and anti-Torah, they will find out their true identity is Israel not some entity called a church.
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93. The people of Babylon would think they are God's elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8, Rev 18:7).
Simon:
Yes the Muslims already think that ask any of them.
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94. The people of Babylon would enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (Rev 18:7).
Simon:
Only the harlot city i.e. Mecca or country of Saudi that lives in utmost luxury.
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95. The people of Babylon would grow mad upon their idols (Jer 50:2, 38; Hab 2:1 .
Simon:
They already are as as result of which we are getting suicide bombings.
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96. The people of Babylon would go into deep sins of all kinds (Rev 18:5).
Simon:
They already do these too.
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97. The nation Babylon dwells carelessly before the Lord (Isa 47: .
Simon:
Yes.
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98. Babylon becomes proud, haughty, and does not consider her end (Isa 47:7- .
Simon:
No evil person ever considers his end.
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99. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and drugs (Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23)
Simon:
Islamic nations are into these already, just take a look at Saudi and for drugs take a look at Afghanistan, the word “sorceries is not to do with drugs but with the “false religion” they sell.
Author:
These are but a few of the many parameters listed to help us identify this last great nation that the Lord calls BABYLON THE GREAT. America does now, or is in the process of fulfilling each and every one of them. No other nation upon the face of the earth can fulfill these parameters. AMERICA IS BABYLON THE GREAT. There would likewise be a series of SIGNS that would would begin to emerge that would give BIRTH TO, and WATCH THE RISE OF, as well as THE FALL OF AMERICA-BABYLON.
Simon:
This is not true. America does not fulfil any of the signs as I listed
above, does it have a city of 7 mountains? NO. Does it behead
Christians? No. Does it kill Jews? No. So it does not fulfil any of
these signs. This kind of prophecy prediction unfortunately is way off
the mark and simply misleads people though perhaps not deliberate but
wrong never the less.
Let me add the 100th point myself.
100. How can you say it is not America since they are mentioned aren't they?
Simon:
There is not one explicit city name mentioned that is in America in the Bible but I can show you quite a few references for Iraq and even Saudi Arabia yet these are completely ignore by these so called prophecy teachers.
