Dear Dr. Stoll,
Thank you for your prompt and extensive commentary on my
last letter to you regarding Sanctification and MBTI Allow
me to respond point by point. First let me say that my
comparison of salvation to sanctification was to simply
illustrate that BOTH are impossible with the help of MBTI
and BOTH can ONLY be accomplished by the Lord through His
Word. I knew you would agree that salvation could be
accomplished by no other means, so the comparison I made was
to prove that sanctification couldn't be either. My
commentary will be in red.
JOHN STOLL:
I realize that either I didn't make myself plain in previous
communication, or else you have misunderstood where I come
from in my Theology and/or Psychology.
I shared your article with a number of ministries and
scholars. A reasonable person would read your title and
article and conclude that you were, in fact, connecting MBTI
with sanctification and defending Carl Jung. And not to my
surprise, they all concurred. I believe you made yourself
quite plain in both the article your your correspondence,
though your letters are full of contradictions, as I will
continue to demonstrate.
Here is a letter from a scholar, conservative Biblical
professor who wrote an excellent book on marriage and
divorce, Dr. Carl Laney. As I fear the Lord from ever
bearing false witness against a brother or transgress one of
the Ten Commandments, I would not want to falsely accuse you
or mis-represent you. So I ask him if he thought I
misunderstood your position. Here is his response:
But I have spent some time on the subject. I would
agree that we (and marriage) are sanctified by the
Word of God, not the Meyers/Briggs personality
profile or any other counseling tool.
Frankly, James, I have zero confidence in the use of
modern Christian psychology to solve any of the
spiritual problems Christians face. I think the Word
and the Spirit are God's means of dealing with
spiritual problems.
I support your viewpoint and would conclude that you
have correctly
understood Dr. Stoll and have properly critiqued
him.
Blessings,
Dr. Carl Laney
JOHN STOLL:
Contrary to what you maintain: Jungian Psychology or MBTI,
since I eschew that whole concept and I have taught
sanctification for over 50 year, and never once ever
connected that with MBTI..
Here is the proof, quoting you...first, it is obvious from
your very title that you are connecting it:
1. Title:
"THE USE OF THE MYERS/BRIGGS
INSTRUMENT IN SANCTIFICATION
OF LIFE AND MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIPS"
If you eschew the connection, the title might read The Abuse
of MBTI, or Misuse of MBTI..the way Paul discussed tongues.
But even this would assume MBTI is a valid tool. A hammer is
a valid tool in carpentry, but you could not use it to saw a
board. But a hammer is good for pounding nails. MBTI, as an
occultic tool is not valid for anything, let alone
sanctification. So the title should read: Myers/Briggs has
absolutely NO use as an Instrument in Sanctification of Life
and Marriage Relationships. It is as useful as your
horoscope and just as forbidden for a Christian.
JOHN STOLL:
2. "Then to, God has given human resources that enable us
to better understand ourselves, and among them is the use of
the Myers/Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) as an
evaluating instrument for character development, and
help in a husband/wife understanding of each other." And
"The Myers/Briggs Type Indicator (henceforth MBTI)
evaluating instrument can be a valuable tool for husband and
wife in order to understand each others basic character
development."
Sorry, there is NO other evaluating instrument for character
development than the Bible!!! So that means you can't use
MBTI.
JOHN STOLL:
"The sixteen different character combinations"
(dreamed up by whom? if not Carl Jung, then whom? If
you remove every component of Jung's philosophy from
MBTI what would still be left in MBTI. Even the MBTI
designers themselves confirm that MBTI is Jung except
more organized and numbered) “that
provide an understanding of how one's character operates
in life, and to help in understanding the character
behavior of one's mate.”
(We not to understand one's character by using doctrines
and teachings of devils. We are not to know and
understand character by a source other than Scripture,
when Scripture tell us that everything we need to know
to understand character is in the Bible itself as well
as telling us it is sufficient for confronting defects
in character)
“Together they are able to use this knowledge”
(use forbidden knowledge? That is like saying that in
Ephesus in the Book of Acts "we really didn't practice
sorcery ourselves, we just used the scrolls of the
people who did practice sorcery to get the ideas they
then penned into the scrolls. So it is OK to use the
scrolls? Of course, not! They burned the
scrolls!!!!!!!)
“in assisting each other in their spiritual
development."
(so MBTI is neutral...you stated in your email to me
"The 8 types of indicated of human behavior regardless
of one's worldview or philosophy of life." Now your
stating it is useful in spiritual development.
Spiritual development is hardly neutral of worldview.
Everything spiritual reflects worldview. And as to
spiritual development, there is no spiritual development
without the Bible via the Holy Spirit and prayer). How
can MBTI be spiritual when psychology does not believe
in the spirit, only the body and soul. How does you
develop something they say is non-existent. But of
course MBTI will affect you spiritually but not in a
positive way, be a harmful way. You will reap what you
sow if you tamper with sorcery or any of the fruit of
sorcery.)
JOHN
STOLL:
4.
"The spiritual and psychological wholeness calls for a
balance between our preferred and less preferred ways of
being and doing." "We all have strongly ingrained
tendencies to adopt patterns of spiritual maturity which
favor our preferences."
That is not what the Bible teaches. It teaches we are to be
obedient to His ways whether we prefer them or not (our ways
are not his ways). Who determines this very subjective
"balance" ?
JOHN STOLL:
5.
"so in the spiritual body of believers is there an
interdependence on one another"
I agree...but this is interdependence of other BELIEVERS.
MBTI authors were not believers!" Note
further who is the head in this analogy of the Body. Christ
is the head. And we are to have the mind of Christ. So
where does MBTI fit in the head?
JOHN STOLL:
6.
"Carl Jung discovered that human beings have four
essential behavioral preferences that shape the way they
relate to the world around them,"
Carl Jung did not discover the essence of human behavior.
The Bible already told us thousands of years before Jung
that the heart is wicked and deceitful above all
things...who can know it? We can't but Carl Jung can? And
where in the Bible are we told there are four preferences?
What Scripture tell us to catalogue them even if they do
exist? Also, I thought you denounce Carl Jung?
JOHN STOLL:
"There is no right or wrong to these pairs, but they are
equal in worth."
Now this truly is a strawman argument. First it presumes
that there is even any such things a "pairs". Then it
concludes they are equal in worth. The Bible clearly
teaches that we are determine right or wrong in human
behavior from what the Bible teaches us, then act
accordingly. We don't act or obey based on discerning
between qualities or pairs that the Bible doesn't even give
us!
Instead of touting Carl Jung in this article, you should as
a teacher and elder of God's word be saying straight away
that Carl Jung was a false teacher. You should be protecting
the flock from these kind of wolves, not inviting them in to
the pen. You should not be giving Carl Jung even a hint of
credibility. Before you administer any MBTI test to an
unsuspecting person, do you tell them what Carl Jung thought
of Christianity?
JOHN STOLL:
7.
"Every individual has both options of each pair available to
him. These preferences are part of the creation equipment
God has given to us"
Did you get this idea from Jung (whom you denounce),
MBTI, or the Bible? If the Bible, please cite Chapter
and Verse.
JOHN STOLL:
8. "In the spiritual maturation of life, as
well as the marriage relationship, it is important that we
consider the development of our "weak" side"
Our definition and litmus test of spiritual maturation is
determined by Scripture not MBTI. We are perfected in our
weakness. "I am weak but he is strong." And once again I
thought MBTI was spiritual neutral, yet you use it to assist
in "spiritual maturation." Where in the Bible does it tell
us to "develop our weak side?" If the 8 types or
combinations are morally neutral regarding right and wrong
("there is no right or wrong), then developing one or more
of them does not make them right or wrong either. Nothing
is achieved. A Christian needs to make every choice with
the intent of non-neutral right fruit of the spirit being
produced. So at best MBTI is a pointless gesture and at
worst, sorcery.
JOHN STOLL:
Biblical principles point to this as the optimum for
fullness (note: John 10:10).
Biblical principles do not point to MBTI so that we can have
life and life more abundantly. Let's look at John 10:10:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might
have [it] more abundantly." John 10:10
Nineteen hundred years of Christians, including a host of
persecuted and martyred saints did not have love more
abundantly because they possessed everything. But they
lacked one thing.....the MBTI. Wouldn't we have life
abundant if we overcome the world? Well the saints in
Revelation overcame with the Blood of Jesus and Word of
their testimony. But they too lacked one thing. They did
not have MBTI so that they could possess life abundant.
This exegesis of John 10:10 is almost beyond my
comprehension. Orthodox Christian scholars throughout the
ages would tell you that it is possessing Jesus Christ
himself that give you life abundant as well as more
abundantly. To suggest that we need MBTI because of John
10:10 is both absurd and heretical. You further state that
lack of balance is harmful. Who decides what combinations
put you in balance? Besides I thought any of the
combination types is morally neutral...there is no right or
wrong any combination. So whether in balance or out of
balance...it wouldn't matter...This idea of balance is pagan
idea as seen in the Yin and Yang that you must keep in
balance. But it is not a Biblical idea. Something perhaps
even more frightening is the prospect that you are actually
able to convince someone that they are now "in balance"
which they ought to be able to achieve with the help of a
psychotherapist, by simply adjusting the balance of strong
vs. weak behavior traits. But the world can do this
(assuming the theories are even true) and be just a lost.
They could even balance these traits in their marriage
without every opening up the Scripture. And you would
suggest they could sanctify their marriage with this new
balance, when the Scripture itself says that your marriage
is sanctified by the watering of the Word?
"That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of
water by the word", Ephesians 5:26
JOHN STOLL:
9. "A number of years ago I had a Mother bring her teenage
son in for counseling. The problem, as she told it,
was between her son and his father, in that they never
could see things the same. She felt caught in the
middle, as she loved her husband, as well as her son. I
administered the Myers/Briggs to all three"
MBTI to the rescue? MBTI saved the day? How about going
straight to the Lord? So
is it a matter of simply showing each other how they see
things differently? They could both be wrong. Isn't what
matters is if one or all three of them are not seeing things
how the Bible sees them? And fixing the the problem is
obeying the Bible. It is quite troubling to imagine how a
Godly counselor would have fixed their problem for nineteen
hundred years without administering the MBTI. Why not have
all three people repent, pray, and make restitution
according to the commands of the Bible vs. morally neutral
results of cataloging traits....something without precedent
in either the Old or New Testament.
JOHN STOLL:
10. "In order for a Christian to become a mature,
spiritually minded person, it is essential to know what
one's preferred character pattern is, then to flesh out the
opposite pattern of character."
Preferred by whom? One of these characters, or the Lord?
What if the "preferred character pattern" and less preferred
or even hated pattern are BOTH a stench in the nostrils of
the Lord? What if the preferred character pattern is a
delight to the Lord, why wouldn't you develop it even more?
What if the opposite pattern is not pleasing to the Lord
either? We don't balance it or flush it out, we get rid of
it completely. What if they are both preferred or pure to
the Lord? Wouldn't you cultivate both? Would there have
been any hope for this family without MBTI? How do you know
the person wouldn't be worse off by "balancing" these
traits?
"Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are
defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their
mind and conscience is defiled." Titus 1:15
So how does MBTI template work with Titus 1:15? It is
impossible, of course!
JOHN STOLL:
10. " If one does not nurture his less preferred pattern,
then the spiritual journey will have problems,"
Narrow is the way a few it be that choose it. "Whoever
would follow me must deny himself (of his preferred pattern)
and pick up the Cross and follow me!" The preferred pattern
for ALL Mankind is darkness, as men love the darkness more
than the light. So if we nurture the preferred pattern we
are all on the highway to Hell. So, in fact, Biblically
speaking, it is quite the opposite. It is following our
preferred patterns, or the flesh that will create problems
in our spiritual journey. So, once again, it is not what we
prefer but what HE prefers that will lead us to the
light!! It is "thy word that is a lamp unto my feet (for
my spiritual journey) not my preferences.
JOHN STOLL:
11.
"an ESFJ enjoys being with and ministering to people, but if
one does not take time for inner reflection and meditation,
and think through God's plan for his life, then he will not
come to that maturity of life, which God intends for His
children to enjoy (John 10:10)."
An ESFJ (which one obtains from taking the MBTI) can't enjoy
John 10:10. Millions of people who never took the MBTI ever
even found out that they were an MBTI in order to take the
appropriate steps to enjoy John 10:10. So you are
suggesting that all of the ESFJs never enjoyed life and life
more abundant? Of course, this is assuming that there is
even any such character traits or correct cataloging of
traits in this given individual....and that the theory is
even true.
JOHN STOLL:
12.
"Our aim is a balanced, centered spirituality. These
words are meant to facilitate understanding, not to stifle
individuality."
Centered spirituality? This is totally a New Age idea taken
directly from "kundalini" and being "centered" as it is a
part of Eastern Meditation. But it has no place in the
Bible or should it be practiced by any Christian.
JOHN STOLL:
13.
"the dangers of one-sided spirituality,"
If we walk totally one-sided in the spirit, how is that a
danger? We should pray that we were even more one-sided!
JOHN STOLL:
14.
"Who is in control of our mind and heart, with all its
desires and purposes---God or us?
If God is in control, why are we subjectively controlling or
balancing our own preferences or traits as determined by
MBTI?
JOHN STOLL:
"Holy Spirit control of our lives will bring us to
wholeness, balance, and holiness, as we allow the truth of
God's Word to minister to our lives."
Once again,
If God is in control, why are we subjectively controlling or
balancing our own preferences or traits as determined by
MBTI? This is all done without the MBTI and God did it from
the beginning of time, so why now introduce MBTI? and even
if you administered this test, how do you trust its results?
JOHN STOLL:
15. Our spiritual formation always takes place within our
given psychological state and personality preference
patterns."
No it doesn't. Our spiritual formation is determined by our
obedience to the Scripture, and prayer, and loving God with
all our heart, mind and body.
JOHN STOLL:
16.
"The preferred pattern of character behavior is molded by a
combination of the aforementioned elements that combine to
produce one's character."
This preferred pattern of traits that you learn by taking
the MBTI test does not produce character. Personality
Traits do not produce character, righteousness
produces character. Submitting ourselves to God (not MBTI)
produces character. Suffering for Christ produces both
character and a crown. Enduring until the end produces
character. So if you really want to produce character read
and heed II Peter 1:5-8 and don't take or heed MBTI.
"And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith
virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge
temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience
godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to
brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you,
and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be]
barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus
Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and
cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged
from his old sins." II Peter 1:5-8
JOHN STOLL:
17.
"The combination of both partners being intuitive (N) and
feeling (F) tends to make great lovers, and produce a
closeness between them, since both are desirous of
projective themselves to meet the other one's needs, without
thought of selfishly having theirs met."
So now we are using MBTI to make us better lovers? Why not
do what the Scripture tell us to do to be better lovers,
such as praying and fasting for a season, or adorning our
inner-most being and be brought closer together because we
are BOTH obeying the Lord? N and F combined should not have
any advantage in this aspect of their marriage than any
combination of traits in spouses....that is assuming these
traits are even valid.
JOHN STOLL:
18. "It is primarily through recognizing one's
deficiencies, taking personal responsibility for rectifying
the problem, getting help through various means, of which
one valuable tool is the MBTI, and allowing
the Holy Spirit through the Word of God to bring
wholeness as well as Holiness to one's life ..."
THERE IS NO "AND"! IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT ONLY! THE WORD OF
GOD ITSELF AS I OUTLINED ABOVE CONTRADICTS MBTI ANYWAY!
MBTI CAN NOT BRING HOLINESS TO ONE'S LIFE? WHAT YOU SUGGEST
IS ADDING UNTO SCRIPTURE.
JOHN STOLL:
Illustration: you wondered how that I certainly would not
use the MBTI to help one to salvation, but would use it to
help with sanctification. How you jumped from the one to the
other is beyond me, since that concept is totally foreign
to my thinking.
If it is foreign to your thinking, then why did you write an
article connecting sanctification with MBTI?
JOHN STOLL:
I have taught Biblical sanctification for over 50 years, and
never once ever connected that with the MBTI. If you wish to
understand my understanding of sanctification, go to the
Christian Leadership Ministries web site of Campus Crusade,
and dial up, <www.leaderu.com/offices/stoll/maturity>
and there you will open up my book, "Biblical Principles For
Christian Maturity" and scroll down to Chap. 20.
Did you write the article: "THE USE OF THE MYERS/BRIGGS
INSTRUMENT IN SANCTIFICATION OF LIFE AND MARRIAGE
RELATIONSHIPS" during those fifty years? If you did, then
you have, in fact connected them.
Also, I have gone to your article Biblical Principles for
Christian Maturity as you suggested.
John Stoll:
being set apart from sin, and set apart unto God.
I agree, this is an excellent apologetic on Sanctification,
could not be better articulated. If this is all you
published, I would be recommending it to everyone around the
world. My initial letter to you would be simply a
commendation. It is pure and sound doctrine. But it is so
good, so completely sufficient, it leaves me stunned and
dumbfounded to then read your other article which promotes
Jung and MBTI as a tool in sanctification. But neither Carl
Jung or MBTI were set apart from sin nor were they set apart
unto God.. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
Neither Jung, Myers, or Briggs feared the Lord, so they did
not even have the beginning of wisdom. So on both counts
there is nothing they could do to assist us in sanctifying
life or marriage. You conclude with:
John Stoll:
In II Corinthians 7:1 it says we are to, "Purify ourselves
from everything that contaminates the body and spirit,
maturing holiness out of reverence for God".
But this Scripture should slam the door on introducing Jung
and MBTI which is impure and which does contaminate the body
and spirit. A little leaven will leaveneth the WHOLE lump.
Ephesians Five states that there should not be even a hint
of impurity in the Body of Christ, or named among you, yet
you continue to defend the use of MBTI. Would this apply to
both sexual and spiritual harlotry?
John Stoll:
I also have chapters on Philosophy & Psychology in addition
to Theology, and not once will you ever see any indication
of either Jungian psychology or the MBTI, since I eschew
that whole concept.
If your chapter on sanctification were the only chapter, I
would breathe a sigh of relief, But then you capsize
everything by then defending humanism and psychology in
Chapters 30 and 31. If you eschew Jungian psychology and the
MBTI, then why do you endorse and validate him in your other
article on LeaderU on Sanctification? And if you eschew MBTI
in Sanctification of marriage, then when do you invoke the
term acronym MBTI nine times in the same article plus the
complete name in the title of your article? You rightfully
state that sanctification is position in Christ,
progressive, and perfect. But since MBTI is incapable of
assisting as a tool and any one of these three, why
introduce it at all? You maintain that you have not
integrated Sanctification and MBTI, yet you devote an entire
article to integrating them in your article: THE USE OF THE
MYERS/BRIGGS INSTRUMENT IN SANCTIFICATION OF LIFE AND
MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIPS
HUMANISM VS. CHRISTIANITY
I also note that you defend aspects of humanism and believe
you can integrate psychology with Christianity...i.e., Don't
throw the baby out with the bath water. But there is no baby
in humanism. Humanism is a worldview that is atheistic and
mutually exclusive to Christianity. In fact humanism is the
antithesis of sanctification. Humanism suggests that man can
perfect man, while sanctification says only the Word of God
via Jesus Christ the author, and the Holy Spirit can perfect
man. Would you dare suggest that there are parts of the baby
we can keep in Nazism, Communism, Buddhism, or Hinduism? I
am sure you would say none of these contain a baby to save!
So, it is simply unthinkable that you would make any
statements defending Humanism. And this is not simply my
understanding of humanism or your statement about it, but
represents Orthodox Christianity. I could spend volumes
addressing humanism and psychology, but our correspondence
is primarily devoted to Sanctification, Jung, and MBTI
aspect of Psychology.
John Stoll:
Just because Jung had a philosophical and psychological
frame of reference that included eastern mysticism, etc.
into his formulation of types, does not necessarily
adversely color to plain fact that people are different in
character, and that difference can be classified.
So you admit, that the roots of this MBTI tree are not of
God. An article a number of hears ago in Christianity Today
has a cover illustration of this very tree, including Jung.
So it is clear these are thornbush roots by own admission.
Even if these traits were true of a given individual, where
in the Bible does it tell us to classify them?
JOHN STOLL:
There are many other Psychological testing instruments that
approach an understanding of people's character, that use
different nomenclature, but measure the same thing.
No, there is not one Psychological test that can understand
a man's character, only the Bible can do that. Psychology
does not even know what character is. It can't because it
does not even define the nature of man correctly.
JOHN STOLL:
Just because I, as a Christian, use the MBTI, does not
necessarily follow that I buy into Jung's philosophy, In
fact, I would say that probably most Christians who use the
MBTI do not know the philosophical/psychological
underpinning of that test.
Once again you admit the (thornbush) roots of MBTI in Jung.
Christians taking a test in ignorance is an excuse? My
people perish from ignorance!
JOHN STOLL:
You have raised a "straw man" in argument against me, in
that I agree with all these statements you made, as well as
the scriptures you quoted. I have taught all these things
for over 50 years.
It is not a strawman argument if I can prove through your
own text where these ideas in MBTI and Jung came from, i.e.,
their roots. So the roots of this thornbush are Jung and the
MBTI is one of its branches. So if you agree with that
Scripture, than you can be simultaneously claiming we can
get anything good out of the thornbush....not figs, not
sanctification, not anything good! What would be this a
strawman argument is if I claimed these ideas came from the
Lord but really didn't, then proclaim the fruit to be figs.
As humbly as I can say this, you are the one who has set up
the strawman, by giving any credence to Jung or MBTI to
connect it whatsoever to Sanctification. What is so ironic
about this is that if I were to persuade someone and reason
from Scriptures as Paul would have done to abandon MBTI as a
tool of sanctification, I would use your own chapter on
Sanctification in your book: Biblical Principles for
Christian Maturity.
JOHN STOLL:
Your use of Eph. 5:26 is well taken, and I have used that
verse hundreds of times in counseling couples, as to the
sanctifying aspect of the Word of God.
That's good! But do you also tell them NOTHING but the Word
of God can sanctify them, which is in the next verse?
That he might present it to himself a glorious church,
not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that
it should be holy and without blemish. Ephesian 5:27
If the Word, alone can make us holy and perfect, anything
else added would be adding a spot, wrinkle, or blemish. How
is this not TOTALLY sufficient? And if we can achieve total
sanctification by this method, then what cant MBTI
contribute? I would be surprised if no client of your ever
asked the question about why are we adding MBTI? I sure
would be asking it?
JOHN STOLL:
I think your analogy on p. 3 as to my using the a Ouija
board, a star scroll, or Mandela as a template, is
ludicrous, to say the least. I don't find that analogy to be
true.
It is not just an analogy, as the very content of Jung's
philosophy (the heart and soul of MBTI) is derived from
sorcery, which is precisely what Ouija Boards and Astrology
are derived from...same source, same author of confusion,
same same doctrines of demons. How, with all of your years
of studying Jung, and even agreeing with all of the
documentation I sent you on Jung, it totally mystifies me
that you could miss the analogy. You have tried to save MBTI
from Jung. But if you go to Myers-Briggs own website and the
author's own testimony you would read the following:
KATHARINE BRIGGS:
the vision of Katharine Briggs was to understand
human development and to discover the keys that would enable
each individual to reach their full potential.
....After years of gradually creating her own formulation,
she discovered and adopted the ideas and framework expressed
by Carl Gustav Jung in his book, Psychological
Types. The rest of her life was focused on studying the
works of Jung and in striving to bring the
potential benefits of knowing and applying his ideas to the
world.”
ISABEL MEYERS:
Isabel Myers, in the second half of her life, was to
accomplish what she saw as a foundation piece of her
mother's vision by giving individuals access to and
understanding of their Jungian preference type
through the development of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator®
(MBTI®)
instrument.
Source:
http://www.myersbriggs.org/foundation/objectives_goals.cfm
So you can see there is no way of even having an MBTI
without Carl Jung's ideas and philosophy! You want to use
the Bible as a template over MBTI? Good! In this way you can
test the spirits to see if they be of God. When you see that
these ideas did not come from God, you should reject them in
total!
JOHN STOLL:
I have always evaluated every philosophical concept or
psychological by the principles of God's word, and
especially rely on the book of Colossians, which is the true
philosophical book of the Bible.
If you did, you would get rid of MBTI when you discovered
that its principles do not square with the Bible. And the
Bible is is not a philosophical book, where man dreams up
ideas of human nature, it is God's direct revelation of his
commandments not his ideas.
JOHN STOLL:
Yes, I indicated that God loves Jung, just as He loves you
and me (John 3:16). Furthermore, Christ died to save Jung
from his sins, as He did for you and me (2 Peter 3:9; 1 Tim.
2:4). That doesn't mean that Jung is necessarily a
Christian, anymore that it means you or I are, except we
make a personal commitment to Jesus Christ, as Lord and
Savior. Again, I am puzzled as to how you make out of our
dialogue that accusation, anymore than I am puzzled as
to how you connect the MBTI and sanctification to my
thinking. Granted, I fully believe that obedience is better
than sacrifice.
I don't believe I used the word accuse, and prefer to use
the terms and verbs the Bible says we should invoke
regarding a brother we wish to confront....that is edify,
admonish, correct, rebuke, train, etc., as accuse is used as
the verb by Satan who is the accuser of the brethren, with
no love of truth or interest in restoration or restitution.
I am not sure how I accused you here, except to clarify
Biblically who God loves. So I will simply ask you, if Carl
Jung did not repent before his death, does God still love
him whom he would send to Hell for Eternity? So just what
position is it that you do hold regarding RC?
JOHN STOLL:
And, I stand totally on the Word of God. As to my going to
Notre Dame, when I went there, I was a full fledged
Theologian with 25 years of teaching Bible & Theology in
Christian colleges/seminaries, and I knew full well what
Roman Catholicism teaches, both before as well as after
Vatican II. However, I was never pressured to accept any of
their teachings. In fact I was solicited both in the
classroom as well as outside the classroom, to use my Bible
and discuss from my Biblical point of view. My position
was solicited as well as welcomed. I used my 5 years there
as an open door to witness for the Lord, and it was a great
opportunity the Lord gave me.
So, that our yeas are yeas and our nays are nay, did you
share with them that RC denies Sola Scriptura? Did you do as
Paul the Apostle commands us to do an expose their teaching
as false and unbiblical? Did you tell them they teach
another gospel and another Jesus from your Biblical point of
view? Did you tell them as former RC Priest Richard Bennett
declares that RC is both pagan and apostate?
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Finally let me just say what Harrison Ford said to the
President of the United States in the movie which I believe
was called Clear and Present Danger, when he had to confront
the President and said It gives me no pleasure to do so,
Sir! But he was compelled to because he had sworn an oath to
uphold the Constitution of the United States, just as I am
compelled to tell you the truth, as Paul confronted Peter
because he was clearly in the wrong. As a Christian I am
compelled to uphold Scripture and expose teaching which
clear false. And like Ezekiel's Watchman passage, woe to me
were I to remain silent.
I remain ever hopeful and vigilant that you will denounce
MBTI for what is and give Glory to God for exposing it for
what it is as not only being of no value to a Christian in
sanctification, but of no use to maturing a Christian in any
respect, I also pray that, in fact, you reveal and publish
that MBTI is destructive and demonically inspired.
I eagerly await a praise report to this effect.
Kindest regards in Christ,
James Sundquist
