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Gog cannot be the antichrist


1. EZEKIEL 38;4 > AND I WILL TURN THEE BACK  AND PUT HOOKS IN YOUR JAWS , AND I WILL BRING YOU FORTH .

THIS DOESNT SOUND LIKE THE ANTICHRIST SINCE GOG HAS TO BE BASICALLY DRAGGED WITH HOOKS IN HIS JAWS TO FIGHT.

2.EZEKIEL 39;11>AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THAT DAY ,THAT I WILL GIVE UNTO GOG A PLACE THERE OF GRAVES IN ISRAEL THE VALLEY OF THE PASSENGERS ON THE EAST OF THE SEA ,AND IT SHALL STOP THE NOISE OF THE PASSENGERS AND THERE SHALL THEY BURY GOG ,AND ALL HIS MULTITUDE, AND THEY SHALL CALL IT HAMON -GOG . GOG IS BURIED IN ISRAEL. GOG IS BURIED IN THIS BATTLE.

3, IN DANIEL 11;45 > AND HE SHALL PLANT THE TABERNACLES ( or TENTS ) OF HIS PALACE BETWEEN THE SEAS IN THE GLORIOUS HOLY MOUNTAIN .  THIS SHOWS THAT THIS CANT BE GOG SINCE GOG NEVER CONTROLS ISRAEL TO LIVE IN JERUSALEM.

4.AMERICAN PRESIDENTS NOT MUSLIMS HAVE PUSHED ISRAEL TO GIVE UP LAND , IM NOT ANTI AMERICAN AT ALL BUT COME ON HOW CAN AMERICA BE BLESSED WHEN WE MAKE ISRAEL DIVIDE THE LAND FOR GAIN . AND WE TAKE GOD OUT OF EVERYTHING AND SLAUGHTER BABIES .

5.THE PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE DESTROYED JERUSALEM , IN THE NAME OF TITUS AAS IN THE AUTHORITY OF TITUS AS IT IS WRITTEN IN DANIEL 9;26.

5. WHAT HAPPENS TO CHINA AND RUSSIA AND AMERICA DURING THIS ENDTIMES SENERIO ? THEY WOULD GET INVOLVED ? OF COURSE.

6.ISNT IT STRANGE THAT RUSSIA AND IRAN ARE SO CLOSE NOW I MEAN THE NUCLEAR TIE THAT BINDS , THEY HAVE A TREATY AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEALS , SO THE END TIME SITUATION SEEMS TO BE GOING AS I HAVE THOUGHT.

7. ANTICHRIST USES THE HARLOT AND THE HARLOT WHEN ITS USED UP WILL BE ATTACKED AND DESTROYED  I CANT SEE ISLAM DESTROYING ITS SELF .

Simon Responds in blue:

Dear Chris,

It appears you have raised about eight points repeating number 5 twice and I will address each argument.

1. EZEKIEL 38;4 > AND I WILL TURN THEE BACK  AND PUT HOOKS IN YOUR JAWS , AND I WILL BRING YOU FORTH . THIS DOESNT SOUND LIKE THE ANTICHRIST SINCE GOG HAS TO BE BASICALLY DRAGGED WITH HOOKS IN HIS JAWS TO FIGHT.

Where do you get the idea that this cannot be the antichrist?  Do you have ANY scripture to backup your claim?  The antichrist is described as Gog (Ezekiel 38:2), House of the wicked (Habakkuk 3:13), son of perdition (2 Thessalonians 2:3) which are all different titles for the same person.

This person acts out his will but it is God's plan that is being fulfilled not man's although man does act out his will but in the end God is fulfilling His plan through man's choices because God already knows what choices in this case Gog will make.

2.EZEKIEL 39;11>AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THAT DAY ,THAT I WILL GIVE UNTO GOG A PLACE THERE OF GRAVES IN ISRAEL THE VALLEY OF THE PASSENGERS ON THE EAST OF THE SEA ,AND IT SHALL STOP THE NOISE OF THE PASSENGERS AND THERE SHALL THEY BURY GOG ,AND ALL HIS MULTITUDE, AND THEY SHALL CALL IT HAMON -GOG . GOG IS BURIED IN ISRAEL. GOG IS BURIED IN THIS BATTLE.

Yes this is what scripture dictates that Gog's armies are buried in Israel, weapons burned up for seven years Ezekiel 39:9, also devoured by ravenous birds and beasts Ezekiel 39:4, I don't see what problem do you have with this view.  Is this not what Ezekiel 38 teaches?  Not only this but Gog's armies will be killed on the mountains by the judgement God will send that are mentioned in Ezekiel 38,19 Earth Quake, they will fight amongst themselves Ezekiel 38:21, plague, rain, fire, great hailstones and brimstones from heaven Ezekiel 38:22.

3, IN DANIEL 11;45 > AND HE SHALL PLANT THE TABERNACLES ( or TENTS ) OF HIS PALACE BETWEEN THE SEAS IN THE GLORIOUS HOLY MOUNTAIN .  THIS SHOWS THAT THIS CANT BE GOG SINCE GOG NEVER CONTROLS ISRAEL TO LIVE IN JERUSALEM.

Unfortunately this conclusion is not accurate.  You have jumped over Daniel 11:45 and are contradicting scripture.  The place is mentioned of his tents between the seas and the glorious Holy Mountain.  The mention of between the seas indicates, he could be anywhere between the Mediterranean Sea, Red Sea, the Dead Sea, Sea of Galilee and between the HOLY MOUNTAIN which is Jerusalem.  Zechariah helps us here since he tells us that half of Jerusalem will go into captivity and this is evident why the antichrist will be between the HOLY MOUNTAIN and the literal SEAS because it is likely that Eastern Jerusalem will get taken away as that is the stronghold of Islam today!

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, [half of Jerusalem taken captive] and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

4.AMERICAN PRESIDENTS NOT MUSLIMS HAVE PUSHED ISRAEL TO GIVE UP LAND , IM NOT ANTI AMERICAN AT ALL BUT COME ON HOW CAN AMERICA BE BLESSED WHEN WE MAKE ISRAEL DIVIDE THE LAND FOR GAIN . AND WE TAKE GOD OUT OF EVERYTHING AND SLAUGHTER BABIES .

Unfortunately you are not showing the understanding I had hoped you would, have you asked yourself the question why did the American Presidents push Israel?  It was because of Arab governments pressure and the dependency on black gold (oil).  Basically Arab appeasement the long and short.  The second question is who is doing the giving of the land, Israel or the USA?  The answer is Israel so only one nation is to blame for giving land to terrorists bent on Israel's destruction and that is Israel's copout leaders.  The US and other Western nations certainly have not helped by pushing Israel but no one is holding a gun on Israel's head and saying you MUST give land or we will shoot you down, Israel can say NO and rely on the mighty God of Israel, is that too hard a thing to do?

5.THE PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE DESTROYED JERUSALEM , IN THE NAME OF TITUS AAS IN THE AUTHORITY OF TITUS AS IT IS WRITTEN IN DANIEL 9;26.

Proving what point may I ask?

5. WHAT HAPPENS TO CHINA AND RUSSIA AND AMERICA DURING THIS ENDTIMES SENERIO ? THEY WOULD GET INVOLVED ? OF COURSE.

 Would you please be a bit more specific, involved in what? 

6.ISNT IT STRANGE THAT RUSSIA AND IRAN ARE SO CLOSE NOW I MEAN THE NUCLEAR TIE THAT BINDS , THEY HAVE A TREATY AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEALS , SO THE END TIME SITUATION SEEMS TO BE GOING AS I HAVE THOUGHT.

Again without knowing what you mean "as I have thought" I cannot comment on this statement?

7. ANTICHRIST USES THE HARLOT AND THE HARLOT WHEN ITS USED UP WILL BE ATTACKED AND DESTROYED  I CANT SEE ISLAM DESTROYING ITS SELF .

It does not matter what you and me see or don't see, it is what the Lord sees and WILLS that matters and the TEXT in the Bible is very clear that the Harlot will be burned by the Beast/Kingdom/Empire!

Rev17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

It is quite plain that the the ten Kings (ten horns) will hate the harlot (Mecca) and eat her flesh and burn her (attack her and burn her), she is hated already by the Muslim world for alleged appeasement of the West, Osama Bin Laden wants to take control of the oil there and cut off supply of oil for the West, this is why the USA have gone on an all out war against him and trying to protect the Saudi corrupt regime who were partly responsible for the 9/11 attacks but the Bible says that the ten Islamic kings will hate the harlot and attack and burn her down which makes sense given the USA's involvement and them being in bed with the Saudi Kingdom.  There was also a conspiracy by the Libyan Colonel Gaddafi to assassinate the Saudi leader further validating the Bible. 

By John Mintz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 10, 2004; Page A12

The U.S., British and Saudi governments are investigating allegations that Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi launched a plot to assassinate the ruler of Saudi Arabia and to destabilize the desert kingdom with the help of a prominent Muslim activist from Falls Church, according to an account in the New York Times that was backed up by an informed source with knowledge of the case.

Rest here:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30170-2004Jun10.html

The USA are only trying to protect their own interest all the money that is invested in the kingdom of Saudi but the Bible is clear this shall not stand, how the Lord brings this scenario is not for us to worry over, all we know is that His WILL will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.  Amen.

Blessings in Yeshua

Simon

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